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Post by sixpack on Sept 27, 2011 20:40:41 GMT -4
The great thing about changing sportsman to 12.00 is it gives the pro guys who want Pro to go back to 11.99 exactly what they want too. ;D
This restructure idea really helps out a lot more people than some realize. Currently there are at least a dozen or more Pro cars with 11.50 on the window. A lot of them go a bit faster in the spring and fall. But during the heat of the summer they are only in the 11.50-11.70 range. They all want to remain in a no box class but would be much happier not having to slam on the brakes before the finish line.
I realize we have the option to add weight or de-tune our cars to only run 11.50 in the good air as well. I suspect thats the way it will remain for a while yet.
This discussion is just that...... a discussion, to see what people think of a making a change. ALL opinions are greatly appreciated .....just leave out the personal attacks.
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Post by weiner127 on Sept 27, 2011 20:47:34 GMT -4
I'm with Robert on the bike/sled only gamblers race, 7 and 8 sec. cars coming at me at over 150 mph scares the nuts out of me! C'mon now Bruce, don't be supporting those kinda crazy ideas The largest payouts the bike/sleds guys can run for are those gamblers races..and they've been the biggest payouts they can win since the 80's. I always love how things get wound up near the end of the year. No matter where you put the class breaks...sandbaggers will be in play. If you overlap the 2 main classes it will put more entries in both classes and therefore increase the whining factor again. I wish my memory was better...maybe XCREWCHIEF can chime in. Did we not run S/Pro, PRO, S/ST, S/G, S/C, S/SS, Street, Bike for years in Maitland with alot more competitors, no overlap, all seperate classes. the reason there's only SP and Pro now I believe was a decline in competitors and it just wasnt feasable to have all those classes with a few competitors in each. The problem with lowering the break...mainly because there's a bunch of cars with 11.50 on the window is that within a year or so they'll be a bunch of cars with 11.00 or whatever the new break is on the window
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Post by sixpack on Sept 27, 2011 21:15:36 GMT -4
[/quote]The problem with lowering the break...mainly because there's a bunch of cars with 11.50 on the window is that within a year or so they'll be a bunch of cars with 11.00 or whatever the new break is on the window[/quote] Unfortunately you are correct...........that is what will happen for sure, and that is a problem we don't need again. Going down to 10.00 might delay that problem a little bit longer. Or just take the class to ( 00.00-13.49 ) .....no box. Yikes ! lol
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Post by JIM G on Sept 27, 2011 21:43:29 GMT -4
MY 2 cents. 15 or 20 posts and 15 or 20 different ideas. mine is leave it where it is. BUT if its box-nobox give us lots of advance notice so i can get a plug built to remove the box' i might anyway hate to miss those big dollar no-box races. and as far as the big wait for slower cars the longer the better as that gives me a clean tree to. i am not on the converter until my side of the tree starts. oh and one more thing . are THROTTLE STOPS allowed in pro. { just asking} ha ha
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Post by Rhogan S/Pro51 on Sept 28, 2011 9:48:49 GMT -4
Sorry to offend you Sam, but i will say this you guys do have one of the best teching i seen. That was the first time i was ever to your track and was right next to the teching area and seen the kind of job you guys do. Which is excellent.. I know you cant catch everything that might not be right on someones car, but im still gonna stick to my guns and say its being overlook at some tracks. Off the top of my head i can think of 2 cars that i seen race at 3 other tracks that shouldnt be allowed to run the ET's do to the fact they didnt have the proper roll cage. Which backs up my point that teching was being overlooked.. And what Don said he did a excellent job teching at our track but like he said he had people hating him and pregnant doging at him all the time. Dont make sense why someone would wanna hate the guy who is maybe trying to safe your life? And Sam i would love to be a tech guy at our track, but its just a tad bit hard to be a racer and tech at the same time. Wouldnt bother me if people talked about me or hated me.. IF YOU DONT WANNA PLAY SAFE DONT PLAY AT ALL..
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Post by Don @ Maritime Drag Racing on Sept 28, 2011 10:48:17 GMT -4
WARNING!!! Rant - read at your own risk. Note that no individual is mentioned by name.
Still kicking myself over Tech Infractions that I ignored the last year I was on the job. Unfortunately I see those vehicles still racing at other tracks that IMO are still not up to specs. By that I mean not in MY interpretation of the IHRA rulebook. As for the vehicles' builders I know for sure they didn't have one.
Then there's pit safety - I've seen people who should know better not using jack stands when warming their car up, 4 wheelers flying through the pits with kids well under 16 driving, smoking while filling a fuel cell(saw that one with my own eyes), testing stall speed with people standing in front of the car, and the list goes on. Then there's all the Tim Horton mugs full of various forms of alcohol...
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Post by sixpack on Sept 28, 2011 10:58:46 GMT -4
The reason for bringing back this ( sometimes controversial ) topic is to try and find a reasonable solution to a growing problem. Yes, we can choose to ignore the problem and leave everything the way it is, because thats the easy thing to do. Or we can discuss our options, weigh the pros and cons, and just may be find a solution that helps some folks without hurting the others.
The problem that I am talking about is the large amount of cars that run faster than 11.50 without electronics. They have no real place to go.......The only option for them is to run against electronic cars or be put in a class where they are not allowed to run full throttle to the end. My hope is that with enough input from everyone, we can discuss all the advantages and dis-advantages to restructuring the Pro class, and come up with a plan that helps the sport of drag racing in Atlantic Canada !
Another problem that was brought to our attention in the discussions of this topic is the small car count in the sportsman class. One good suggestion was to increase the ET break in that class to allow room for the newer modern muscle cars and imports/ sport compacts that easily run faster than 13.50
I know we can live with the way things are now....... but why not try and make things better ?
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Post by 78SS on Sept 28, 2011 11:49:30 GMT -4
It's perfectly clear what the problem to providing a solution is..
The MAJORITY of people who this change affects is not driving a vehicle that crosses the 11.50 boundry.
To be democratic, a large group (better than 50%) of interested people have to attend the AGM. Have the notion raised and voted on.
Some advice to those interested - do not use these VooDoo internet polls as they cannot be trusted. In fact, any online opinion is not valid as those nasty computer hackers and multi voters with their impossible to trace names and car numbers are always skewing data. And make no reference to the current class structure implemented in THE ENTIRE WORLD OUTSIDE OF THE MARITIMES.
I think the only democratic way to solve this problem is with a coin toss!!
The demographic is mostly super pro, and you'd probably have to convince them they require smaller purses for the betterment of the sport - good luck.
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Post by SS10 on Sept 28, 2011 12:06:49 GMT -4
Thank you Mr. Hogan for the complement of our tech and that was all that I was stating and believe me I wasn't trying to cause any ILL FEELINGS as I personally only care about Greenfield Dragway Tech and none other, the other tracks have to police tech whichever way they want to. JUST MY 2 CENTS : I personally believe that if your race vehicle can run 10.99 then the rule should be adopted by all the tracks that you need a FULL CAGE as it is your own butt on the line,also a full fire suit as well. Then once this cage is added the extra weight will slow the ET down and then once again people will be unhappy, so as always there is no way to make everyone happy.
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Post by 78SS on Sept 28, 2011 16:32:50 GMT -4
Hi Sam,
The problem with that is there is a current IHRA rule that states a full bodied vehicle with an un-altered firewall/floor can run a rollbar up to 135MPH. Page 69
Extra safety is a great idea, but I can't see anyone spending money on safety items that make their car go slower if not mandated.
For instance, parachutes are a great idea if you lose your brakes, but a 110MPH car will not likely have one.
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