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Post by Junior on Sept 28, 2011 17:52:38 GMT -4
The problem that I am talking about is the large amount of cars that run faster than 11.50 without electronics. They have no real place to go.......The only option for them is to run against electronic cars or be put in a class where they are not allowed to run full throttle to the end. My hope is that with enough input from everyone, we can discuss all the advantages and dis-advantages to restructuring the Pro class, and come up with a plan that helps the sport of drag racing in Atlantic Canada ! I have ran this season in a pro car and a s/p car at all cbdragway races and the s/p car i run has no electronics and runs usually around 10.85 and on one weekend i made it to the final 10 in august and went out on a red light maybe what it all comes down too is its bracket racing and you gotta hit a good light and be able to run your dial and in pro i see alot of 11.50 dial ins and my opinion on it is with basically all 11.50 dials you know the person is running faster and they r gonna either be on the brakes or peddling so under dial a tenth or two and and let the 11.50 guy brake out worse then you
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Post by Junior on Sept 28, 2011 17:57:21 GMT -4
So what is the diffrence if you gotta move to s/p to run cars with electronics or stay in pro n take the chance of breaking out on every pass
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Post by mwhite on Sept 28, 2011 19:07:57 GMT -4
I am liking this time set up . One thing that would really change things and would eliminate the crosstalk foolishness..... Heads up indexed classes. Similer classes to the all out or noonan nationals classes. And I would have thought the mauling Jim Green put on everybody at the all-out race would have told people how bad an idea those index classes are especially with a Pro tree Mario , the only problem there was a loop hole on the rules , they didn't ban throttle stops . Run ALL OUT and Jim Green would not have won the slower classes. Fast car like that shouldn't be allowed in the slower classes. Cudos to Jim for doing what he did , but hopefully the loop hole will be closed for next year .
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Post by SS10 on Sept 28, 2011 22:18:51 GMT -4
Rob, as I stated the rollcage idea is my own opinion and I am quite up on the rulebook and what is written on full bodied cars, that is why I believe that rollcages should be in any and all race vehicles that can run 10.99 and quicker.
IT ALL comes back to the fact that people want to go fast but don't want to compete with the electronics that are in the S/P class, so here ya go, lower it to 11.00 and then the 10.50 guys pull the box and write 11.00 on the window and guess what they chase you down and still fender you at the stripe, IT'S BRACKET RACIN' that's all it is, race have fun and be safe lol.
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Post by mario428 on Sept 29, 2011 5:45:07 GMT -4
And I would have thought the mauling Jim Green put on everybody at the all-out race would have told people how bad an idea those index classes are especially with a Pro tree Mario , the only problem there was a loop hole on the rules , they didn't ban throttle stops . Run ALL OUT and Jim Green would not have won the slower classes. Fast car like that shouldn't be allowed in the slower classes. Cudos to Jim for doing what he did , but hopefully the loop hole will be closed for next year . Not to derail this thread but you missed the whole point of what Jim did. His car was not consistent at all running that slow. The reason he did as well as he did was his car was the only car in any of the races that could actually cut a light on the .400 pro tree. Give Jim Green .04-.08 on the tree and he will finish line race you to death. ;D ;D ;D Even 9.90 cars have trouble hitting a .400 pro tree. The only thing it does is eliminate red lights but if enough of that racing happened people would figure out how uncompetitive they are and stop going.
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Post by ShoeBoxRacer on Sept 29, 2011 5:49:59 GMT -4
Took the words right out of my mouth (keyboard) Mario, LoL. Heads-up cars will always have the advantage on the Pro-Tree, & the race doesn't end when you trip the starting beams, it's 1320' away. ;D ;D
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Post by Bad Influence on Sept 29, 2011 7:04:06 GMT -4
I'm with you on the rollcage part Sam. If you read the NHRA rules, it says a car going 10.99 or quicker requires a full cage. People seem to make a federal case out of having to do the required work and spend more money for safety items, but in the end....WHO IS IT PROTECTING It sure isnt the track owners or the tech advisors...god sakes people give you heads a shake and ask yourself whats your life worth???
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Post by Bad Influence on Sept 29, 2011 7:19:16 GMT -4
There seems to be alot of mixed feelings on this subject. My personal opinion for this topic would be to move the class break to PRO at 11.00, but allow the overlap idea as well. Then the people who are running low 11's that want to stay in pro, can, and the top of the super pro people who don't want to purchase or use delay boxes can go back to that class as well. It appears that most people feel this way, but there are always nay sayers somewhere that think change is not always for the better. Personally I have raced for 15+ years in Super pro, and I have seen class breaks at 12.99 (Maitland) to 10.99(PEI). It makes no difference to me how fast the other car is, but the fields for car count is a big consideration. People are always crying about the sandbaggers, but if they could get it in their minds to run their own race; then whats the big deal....cut a light and run close to your dial...how can they compete>>>they have to do the same. 9 out of 10 times they will always be under anyways;p and isn't that what bracket racing is all about?? I see both sides of all the arguements for this issue, and as I see it, the only way we can get this taken care of is at the track meeting, where all tracks have to agree. Then the people can vote if they wish, or make it a rule and stick by it. Personally I see this change as a benefit to about 80% of the fields, and would welcome the change. However thats my 2 cents worth, and that don't buy alot anymore
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Post by sixpack on Sept 29, 2011 7:43:56 GMT -4
I wonder if we could convince at least one track to adopt these class changes for ONE weekend in 2012 for a test. Of course it would have to be on a non points weekend or on a Saturday. Problem is........would the people opposed boy cot it? I can only hope that they would be willing to compete to help us understand why the changes are a good or bad idea.
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Post by 78SS on Sept 29, 2011 10:26:44 GMT -4
Mike and Sam - The rulebook is written - there are many smarter people than I that thought through it's regulations. I won't assume that I'm more intelligent than them. Perhaps we should start another thread about this.
Having piloted a vehicle that crossed the 11.50 barrier, I totally understand why this keeps coming up.. In street, you are dealing with mostly stock application - you can go as slow as you want. In Super pro, you have to be able to run 11.49 and after that - go as fast as you can. In pro - your just limited to braking at the other end if your on a fast pass. The cool of the spring/fall picks up numbers and the heat of summer usually drops them off.. Sucks to run 11.50 in the heat of the summer and get a tail wind in later rounds into the evening!!
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