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Post by fsa1673 on Sept 29, 2011 11:03:43 GMT -4
Why not just a box and a no box class?
Get rid of the Super Pro/Pro/Sportsman et breaks and the sandbagging and danger associated with it goes away. Bike and sleds run all together for safety reasons. Must have safety equipment for the et and mph you run.
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Post by sixpack on Sept 29, 2011 12:45:42 GMT -4
Why not just a box and a no box class? Get rid of the Super Pro/Pro/Sportsman et breaks and the sandbagging and danger associated with it goes away. Bike and sleds run all together for safety reasons. Must have safety equipment for the et and mph you run. It might come to that some day, but for now we have to take baby steps. It's hard enough just making small changes. ;D
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Post by sixpack on Sept 29, 2011 17:36:45 GMT -4
Just some things to think about...........( that is if your like me and have nothing better to do, and Yep......I got my trophy shelf all done too) ;D
( urban definition): Sandbagging is when a player in any game chooses ( on purpose ) to not play their best.
This is a common tactic used in bracket racing and is a natural part of our sport. Although it is often frowned upon, it is also an acceptable practice. So whether we change the ET breaks or leave them the same or even eliminate them all together, there will still be racers practicing this technique.
Another thing to think about is the fact that racers have to hit the brakes at some point in time, regardless of whether it's before the finish line or after the finish line. I don't see how hitting the brakes before the line is any more dangerous than after.
Last one: We currently have a large number of foot brake cars that go faster than 11.50 plus more wanting to go faster than 11.50 as well. By moving the Et brake in Pro down to 10.00 How many 9.99 and faster foot brake cars would be upset compared to the amount we have now from 11.50-10.00 ?
My point to all this is...............other than people being scared of a change, what is the down side of changing the Et brake in Pro to (13.49-10.00)
If someone can come up with a valid point that makes a lot of sense as to why we shouldn't do this, then let me know so that I can drop this conversation and go build my foot brake S/Pro car. ;D
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Post by pro183 on Sept 29, 2011 18:35:41 GMT -4
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Post by sixpack on Sept 29, 2011 19:06:34 GMT -4
Ya I think your wright pro183..........Thats what I will do. Sorry if I upset anyone, including you Straight Forward.
Hey Don, I bet this thread gave Facebook a run for its money. lol
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Post by mwhite on Sept 29, 2011 19:30:43 GMT -4
Change the ET breaks all you want , I will still be sportsman either way . lol . I don't mind seeing the overlap in ET between pro and S/Pro. That might be the simple way to sort it out . Doing that , you end up with a box / no box class anyway . Wouldn't it ?
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Post by protopline on Sept 29, 2011 19:38:25 GMT -4
Just my 2 cents, but i think we should be looking at improving the street and the bike/ sled class as they very seldom have a full field at most tracks. With all the street cars and street bikes that shows up on Tuesday nights at Mir and RWP there should be no problem filling a full field but there seems to be? ?? That is where i think the best bang for our buck is. I don't believe moving the break from 11 to 12.50 or 13 secs will help either as it will not bring any new racers in but just shuffle the current racers around, which some Pro drivers may not like moving back to the street class. (not that there would be anything wrong with that, as i raced in that class this year for 1 race and there is some very tuff competion in that class) We certainly don't need to lose any racers...........we need to retain the racers we have and gain in the street and bike/sled. JMO I currently race in Pro bracket and hover around the 11.50 mark. I would also love to race a pro tree and index class but IMO it's the others classes that need work/changes. Pro1641
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Post by JIM G on Sept 29, 2011 19:43:51 GMT -4
i am sure that everyone knows this anyway; but the ADRA points winner in s/p this year did NOT have a box . not the first guy to do it or wont be the last.
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Post by DougD on Sept 29, 2011 20:52:44 GMT -4
My point to all this is...............other than people being scared of a change, what is the down side of changing the Et brake in Pro to (13.49-10.00) If someone can come up with a valid point that makes a lot of sense as to why we shouldn't do this, then let me know so that I can drop this conversation and go build my foot brake S/Pro car. ;D Travis, Have you given any thought as how a move like the one you list above would impact the revenue stream of the racetracks??
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Post by sixpack on Sept 29, 2011 21:05:40 GMT -4
Just my 2 cents, but i think we should be looking at improving the street and the bike/ sled class as they very seldom have a full field at most tracks. With all the street cars and street bikes that shows up on Tuesday nights at Mir and RWP there should be no problem filling a full field but there seems to be? ?? That is where i think the best bang for our buck is. I don't believe moving the break from 11 to 12.50 or 13 secs will help either as it will not bring any new racers in but just shuffle the current racers around, which some Pro drivers may not like moving back to the street class. (not that there would be anything wrong with that, as i raced in that class this year for 1 race and there is some very tuff competion in that class) We certainly don't need to lose any racers...........we need to retain the racers we have and gain in the street and bike/sled. JMO I currently race in Pro bracket and hover around the 11.50 mark. I would also love to race a pro tree and index class but IMO it's the others classes that need work/changes. Pro1641 Just to clarify: The most likely change to occure between PRO and Sportsman would be to have an overlap in the Et brakes. That way no one in Pro is forced to move over to Sportsman, but would have the option if they wanted to, as long as their car runs 12 seconds or slower. Plus they have the option to run in both classes should they choose. ( So Pro doesn't loose any cars but Sportsman would gain some ). Here is the most likely over lap between Pro & Sportsman: Sportsman ( 12.00 & slower ) pro still at 13.49 and down to ??.?? The Sportsman class may also pick up more of the faster street cars out there if the Et brake would go down to 12 seconds. I don't have an answer for Bike/Sled. But I know ya got to be half crazy to do what some of those guys do. ;D
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