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Post by sixpack on Sept 29, 2011 21:15:18 GMT -4
My point to all this is...............other than people being scared of a change, what is the down side of changing the Et brake in Pro to (13.49-10.00) If someone can come up with a valid point that makes a lot of sense as to why we shouldn't do this, then let me know so that I can drop this conversation and go build my foot brake S/Pro car. ;D Travis, Have you given any thought as how a move like the one you list above would impact the revenue stream of the racetracks?? Yes Doug, I have thought about that too. I know of a few racer who would gladly enter two classes. That means you get two entrance fees from any race car that should choose to run two classes. However.....If there is something I'm not thinking of, please share. I only want to make things better for everyone.
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Post by weiner127 on Sept 29, 2011 21:29:13 GMT -4
I don't have an answer for Bike/Sled. But I know ya got to be half crazy to do what some of those guys do. ;D Pretty tough deal to increase competitor counts in the bike/sled class. Alot of the street bikes that would be out on the Tuesdays just don't want to compete in the class on Sundays, if you can get 1 new racer out of every 10-15 that go to test n tunes you'd be doing good. Another issue is the b/s competitors don't travel as much except for the top 6 or so that run for ADRA pts. There's lots in the case if they left their home tracks more often. If the talk here about putting b/s into their own gambler races for saftey reasons goes through then it just becomes another regular b/s field for Saturday with not much money in the pot and at present the B/S class has box and no box racers racing together....I sure hope the fact that the no box gambler race in Sydney ended with a bike and a sled in the final isn't a factor here. Back on topic...lots of good disussion on the original topic, no matter where u put the break the sandbaggers will be in play and if you make it low enough some BOX races will be putting quick disconnects on their electronics and coming into pro as well.
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Post by sixpack on Sept 29, 2011 22:03:54 GMT -4
Having Box cars un-plug and play in Pro as well as S/Pro can be a good thing too. They pay two gate fees (tracks make more money) and they are sitting ducks for the seasoned bottom bulb racer, as the box guys & gals are use to leaving off the top bulb and now have to remember to leave off the bottom bulb. Then go back to S/Pro and remember to switch back to the top bulb. I might have been a little to optimistic with that one. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kelly MacKay on Sept 30, 2011 6:38:42 GMT -4
By changing pro to 11.00 and nothing else.it will have very little effect on money income for the track.you may have a few s/pro go to pro
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Post by sixpack on Sept 30, 2011 7:39:39 GMT -4
By changing pro to 11.00 and nothing else.it will have very little effect on money income for the track.you may have a few s/pro go to pro Thats is correct, the good thing is, it doesn't take any money away from the tracks. BUT................. if we were to change Pro down to 10.00 or lower, and Sportsman down to 12.00, we do increase the potential for tracks to make more money from the racers that double enter two classes. For example: Billy Sheppard could enter Pro and Sportsman. Kelly Mackay could enter Pro and S/Pro. and so on and so on and so on. A track that has 180 vehicles enter the gate could actually get paid for 200 vehicles or more.
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Post by 78SS on Sept 30, 2011 8:16:12 GMT -4
It's kind of like watching a train wreck, in slow motion!! LOL
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Post by Kelly MacKay on Sept 30, 2011 8:43:48 GMT -4
My biggest problem is when I go to Miramichi, The car picks up .15 and I can't have enough weight safely in the car . .15 is another 150lbs in a car that has already 310lbs of lead bolt-in and in my weight boxes.My car should be running @ 3305 Ihra or 3390 nhra, not 3720 to have it run 11.50 and it's still to fast at that.All I want is to run my car flat out with cars with out delay boxes and at it's correct weight(stock thing). All that weight in my car to slow it down is hard on parts and tires.This is one of the reason I did a lot less racing around the maritime.It's to hard on parts.
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Post by Kelly MacKay on Sept 30, 2011 8:45:31 GMT -4
It's kind of like watching a train wreck, in slow motion!! LOL What does your car run in?
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Post by ScottS on Sept 30, 2011 8:52:42 GMT -4
I'm not sure that a Pro & Sportsman ET overlap is a good idea. Allowing some seasoned pro racers to fall back and potentially feed on the SM field seems counterproductive in my mind. We need to find others ways to get more "new" competitors in SM; but thats a different conversation. The s/pro & pro overlap is a more serious consideration however. Say the pro break was set at 10.00. Each track likely has (and I'm guessing here) 8-12 current SP entries without boxes that fall within 10.00-11.49. Of those 8-12, how many would now double enter, 4 or 5 perhaps? The other 6 simply fall back & run pro. Add in 2-3 box cars that will unplug (remove) and play. Now add in a handful of pro cars that will double enter and you'll likley see total entry fee revenue relatively flat. From a competition stand-point I think it will make for better racing in pro as everyone (for the most part) will be running all out. Put it this way, the # of cars holding a couple of tenths at the 11.50 break is far larger than the # at a 10.00 break. Ten years ago (or whenever it was) we moved the break from 11.99 to 11.50 because cars where getting faster. Well there's no disputing that the issue is in front of us again. Maybe its simply another 5 tenths again for an 11.00 break, or we go lower. IMO, this is not a big deal. It will not change track revenues, SP racer relatively unaffected because 11.49 break remains, and improved competition in pro. It's time.
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Post by jkr on Sept 30, 2011 10:02:10 GMT -4
watching this with much interest so i would like to add a comment or two. now earlier there was much to say about the costs involved with racing this year. some thought a certain race at $150.00 entry fee was to steep. but what is being thrown around here is the same cost $80.00 s/p and $70.00 pro for a few to enter at whatever race if the fees stay the same for next year. seems to me the only people to do the double will be those with deeper pockets and thats all. it should be harder on cars and parts also could slow a program a bit waiting for the double dippers to cool and get back to the lanes. the time changes are without a doubt a good idea but the brake pedal issue moves from 110 mph to 125 mph. more games played at the finish than anywher else. i suppose there is always getting the tracks to all go 1/8th for the season.
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