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Post by mario428 on Dec 8, 2011 9:51:07 GMT -4
Very well done Don!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by MercuryMan on Dec 8, 2011 10:03:34 GMT -4
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Post by tom2011 on Dec 8, 2011 13:38:51 GMT -4
well bernie if a rod kicks out or a heim joint breaks at any point on the track other than the launch area the driver wil be in for a wild ride..nobody can control parts breakage but we can control alot of end results..hope for the best and plan for the worst goes along ways no matter what you're doing and changing to 1/8 mile racing isnt going to stop cars from getting out of control...if anything i would think that it would be worse for cars getting out of control as racers would be trying to get their mph back in a shorter time thereby putting more hp to the ground right off the bat and if the conditions arent right ur gonna see a car shake the tires,head left or right or break parts on the pad..alot of cars are set up for top end hp on a 1/4 mile track and i for one don't want that exhileration to come to an end..as for the insurance end of it i don't get it.when we sign the waiver at the entrance doesn't it relinquish that track of all liabilities in the event of an accident?it's sounding like we're supposed to go down to the local co-operators insurance office and open a policy for my racecar..i know the risks involved in racing and have no issues or concerns with what any track has to offer as far as safety goes..i think all the tracks do one hell of a job in promoting safety and enforcing it..
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Post by 71340 on Dec 8, 2011 15:11:44 GMT -4
Yes but what if the person injured or killed is a spectator? That would bring down all kinds of S___ form the insurance companies and possibly end racing for good. When a spectator comes through the gate a possible accident is the last thing on their mind, but if it was to happen they will lawyer up and the S___ will hit the fan!!
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Post by hemitime on Dec 8, 2011 16:02:42 GMT -4
Well ,well,,my old buddy mario,its kinda strange that you mentioned me specifically with all the other posts ,, I thought we were on here to voice an opinion but once again you have proven that if you dont get your way which you stated that if it took you a couple years you wouldnt stop till you got your way,you again act like a kid taking a temper tantrum and have to take it out on someone and belittle them on this board First off Greggie gotta compliment you on your grammar, longest sentence I ever seen. Know what a period is?  ?? Yes I am patient, not a matter of having my way just seeing the future. I am listening to all the opinions, sorry no tantrums lots of ;D 's. Evidently some people feel strongly about the subject and that is a good thing. Explanation point, good you did finish a sentence, missed that one.  After all the discussion on the internet and at the track he did not bring it up, why not if it was such a concern? I have been bringing it up for the last 3 years but did not bother this year. Everyone is more then welcome to bring up anything they desire, if there is a consensus then it goes to the owners meeting but you have to be there to bring it up. Questioning the decision after the fact is ........ well useless. As I already stated PEI is an issue probably the highest on the list but MDP and Greenfield have their own issues. You are giving someone too much credit, I barely know who you are. I was in the midst of a conversation with another "racer" when someone stepped into the middle of it and stuck his hand out so I shook it. That person then started mumbling something and I finally figured out who it was. Since I have no doubts about my maturity level and your opinion is meaningless to me further conversation was a waste of breath for me. Sorry Greggie you need to try harder. ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote]Gee Mrs Doubtfire,didnt realize I was being graded on grammar,interesting though is now you are saying you didnt know me ,but seemed to have alot to say back in june on here b.s.ing people as if you did ,so now you say you dont ,you sound confused. But in a different note mario ,I found this video of a guy looking to buy a used fairmont,maybe you and him can work something out as you both seem to have alot in common ,or maybe this guy can tech cars with you as you both seem to be on the same page.Not sure how to post the link but I am sure a fella of your high intelligence can figure it out, just go on you tube and type in ''LOOK AT THIS CAR '',I am sure you and this guy will hit it off as you both enjoy pushing crap!! BTW ,during the span of ten years I raced at RWP,Pennfield ,McEwans ran a 69 396 camaro,a 68 camaro,71 duster (former Glen Coles teaser) ,67 camaro(former Armstrong ss/ia )a 68 Z ,and back to a 69 camaro,have owned many other cars rich in maritime racing history that I turned over to other racers,sadly life issues thats none of your business forced me to take time off ,but still supported local tracks with my gate fee,have a new car at the paintshop as we speak so drop the wanna be crap before you have no credibility left at all. My apologies to everyone that had to listen to all this nonsense. |
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Post by tom2011 on Dec 8, 2011 16:14:11 GMT -4
correct me if i'm wrong but if something were to happen to a fan that's where the tracks liability insurance comes into play which the premiums are paid out of the owners expense which he gets from the gate and spectators..not much different then if someone walks onto your property and they get injured.they could sue your insurance company and you would be covered by your liability
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Post by Indynut on Dec 8, 2011 16:59:06 GMT -4
Well well Mario, thanks for opening up such an important topic. Just like every other arsehole in the world, I also have a few points I'd like to throw into the mix. So I'll list them so i don't forget any of them.
(1) Whenever you have an incident which involves a race vehicle exiting a race track (for whatever reason) and then using the safety traps after the asphalt ends to get the vehicle stopped, there should be some sort of review or at the very least, discussions. I don't have the exact stats on the issue, but I'm aware it has occured in the maritimes, in the last few years.
(2) Most of our local drag racers are not really aware of all the other factors that are of great concern the people who run these racing facilities. Things like property taxes (commercial), track insurance (policy wording, waivers, policy costs, fees, etc...), the costs of putting safety officials on site for each event, not to mention the 1000's of other things that go into each race. The masses need to worry about the other important things like entrance fees and payouts.
(3) The NHRA in their wisdom, (after we lost Scott Kalitta). decided to shorten the track length to 1000 feet for their two top classes. Now the NHRA has a pretty elaborate safety system in place but it isn't perfect. The sport happens very fast and perhaps it will never be perfect but things do need to be monitored and adjusted at times. If we are discussing the issue of track length, than perhaps there is a problem.  (4) The idea of changing the track length from 1320 feet to 1000 feet, or even 660 feet should be viewed from all angles. This is obviously something that is a concern to some people and we as racers need to understand this type of decision is made to save both lives and or money. Which is more important....
(5) I did a quick check today and in the Texas alone, there are more than a dozen 1/8 mile race tracks. In Maine, there are two race tracks, both 1/8 mile. It's really not that uncommon.
Again, great discussion but I think we all need to consider the bases of some of these issues. Don't be too narrow minded to think we couldn't have that happen here, cause it can happen. I know the guys typing about safety on this site for the last month can relate to what I'm talking about.
Gerard
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Post by Chris O'Neill on Dec 8, 2011 18:23:49 GMT -4
I am not against 1/8 mile racing, but I don't understand how so many people can think that switching to that format will take away any risk to the racer or the spectator. Of the accidents I have seen or heard of over the years, a short shutdown was not the problem. In most cases the accident occurred before the shutdown area.
As far as lawsuits from injured spectators, why is this becoming such a big concern all of a sudden? It is racing, and there will be accidents that happen. The thing we need to do, is ensure the race cars are safe enough for the drivers and the tracks are prepared in a way to make it as safe as possible for the spectators. This is not a new thing, I remember some serious accidents in the 80's when racing Pennfield, Maitland, Oyster Bed, etc.
As far as switching to 1/8 mile, at our tracks it would really increase the shutdown area, but if you go to a track that was built as an 1/8 mile facility (like Oxford Plains in Maine) I am sure you would find that a car that has stopping problems wouldn't get stopped in their shutdown either. I think we have to accept that race cars will have problems and try to improve the tracks to keep the drivers as safe as possible when something like this happens. Somebody please tell me what we will gain by going to 1/8 mile, other than having enough shut down to slow a car down if complete brake failure happens. I don't think any track is designed to have enough shutdown for a race car to stop without brakes! I think the real danger is high horsepower cars not being able to stay stuck to the track, and eventually end up all over their lane.
Chris
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Post by 78SS on Dec 8, 2011 18:39:15 GMT -4
All this talk has happened in most motor sports..
NHRA - Big guns run 1000'
Nascar - restrictor plates..
Eventually somethings gonna give..
Edit: Look on the bright side - theres always tractor pulls!! LOL
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Post by provega on Dec 8, 2011 18:56:44 GMT -4
88ss wrote:Edit: Look on the bright side - theres always tractor pulls!! LOL sounds like fun ,now I wonder where I can find a set of 14x31 tractor tires?  |
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